A Thinking Reed

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Do we need God to be good?

It’s often asserted, or assumed, that God is “necessary” for morality, not infrequently leading to furious argument about the relative virtues of believers and atheists. But there are several senses in which God might be related to morality, so it’s important to distinguish them:

God is necessary for us to know the difference between right and wrong. This is the view that moral truth is a subspecies of revealed truth, i.e., we can only know the difference between right and wrong by consulting the Bible, the church, or some other religious authority. Even within Christianity, though, this is a minority position. The more common view is that we can know the difference between right and wrong using our natural reason and observing the world around us, particularly what actions are conducive to human well-being, etc. There has been a tendency in some self-consciously postmodern theology to see morality as tradition-constituted or embedded in the practices of a particular community, which does in some ways hark back to the morality-as-revealed-knowledge view.

God is necessary for us to be motivated to do right. This may be more common than the previous view. In its crassest form it asserts that the threat of punishment and/or promise of reward by God (whether here or hereafter) is what provides the necessary incentive for us to behave morally. In a more sophisticated vein, one might argue that God’s valuation of the world and the creatures in it provides a motive–if we love God–to treat God’s creatures with respect and care. Yet it seems that atheists, agonostics, and other non-theists can be motivated to moral behavior by many other considerations that make no reference to God. Though one might wonder if positing a transcendent dimension to morality gives an extra incentive to, for instance, more self-sacrificial actions than some alternative views (e.g., naturalism).

God is necessary to make sense of morality. This is the view that God is necessary to account for the deep, metaphysical basis or structure of morality. We might say that God is the “truth-maker” for moral statements. This doesn’t necessarily imply that we must believe in God’s existence to apprehend moral truth; it simply means that what ultimately “makes sense” of morality is God’s existence and/or nature. Most Christians probably hold some version of this view. On the other hand, we may doubt its practical import since it seems possible to have moral beliefs that guide one’s actions without enquiring very deeply into their metaphysical foundation (if any). Not to mention, there are several competing accounts of the metaphsyics of morality, none of which, it’s safe to say, commands anything close to universal assent. And yet it doesn’t seem as though having such a satisfying metaphysical account is necessary for moral discourse to funciton effectively.

I think the second and third views are more plausible than the first, but both would be very difficult to prove. I think one could make a plausible argument that the existence of God makes better sense of moral values than at least some competing views and that belief in God may provide motives for moral virtue that aren’t available to other views, but that falls short of showing that God is necessary for morality in the strong sense sometimes claimed.

ADDENDUM: I left out yet another sense in which it might be said that God is necessary for morality, which seems obvious now that I think of it: God as causally necessary for morally good actions. Most Christians have held that, in some way and to some degree or another, God’s grace empowers us to do good works. This goes beyond merely saying that our knowledge of God’s commands or love acts as a motive for doing good; it’s the claim that God somehow strengthens our wills so that we can do things that, left to our own devices, we would be unable to do. Without this empowering grace, it is sometimes held, we would be utterly incapable of doing good. This also seems to imply that non-believers, to the extent that they do good, are also beneficiaries of God’s grace. Clearly this opens up a whole can of worms concerning God’s providential action in the world, as well as the relationship between divine action and human free will.

10 responses to “Do we need God to be good?”

  1. […] September 28, 2009 Lee Leave a comment Go to comments It occurred to me after the last post that there might be a subset or version of the first view (God is necessary for us to know the […]

  2. Maybe I’m postmodern after all, but I’m not sold on the idea that natural reason can bring us all the morality that we need. If it did, why do we have so many moral disagreements? I think that any theory of morality, whether it involves God or not, has to account for these differences, as well as the similarities. Indeed, if there were no such differences we probably wouldn’t be having these discussions in the first place.

    1. Fair enough, but I’m not saying that natural reason brings us “all the morality we need” if by that you mean it provides a clear-cut, unambiguous answer to all moral questions. But neither does any other view!

      The view that I’d defend, roughly, is that reason (in a broad sense) can discern general goods and evils and can propose prima facie moral precepts, but doesn’t necessarily tell us how to resolve acute moral dilemmas where these precepts seem to conflict. (E.g., there’s a prima facie duty not to kill, but can that duty ever be overridden by other duties, such as protection of the innocent?) Maybe there is moral disagreement in part because it’s very difficult to weigh competing goods against one another and because reasonable people can disagree about how the balance should be struck. Not to mention, people often disagree about the relevant facts, which affects how they evaluate and weigh various goods.

  3. I should add that, as I hinted at in the post after this one, maybe the life of Jesus serves to “fill out” some of these general principles, giving them greater specificity. Though, even here, I don’t think we get down to the kind of fine-grained precepts that would cover all cases.

  4. I see what you’re getting at, but now that I think about it, maybe I don’t see what the post is getting at. The question “Do we need God to be good?” makes me think of actions, not precepts; do we need God to do the right thing? If we can’t agree on what the right thing is, there seems to be no way to answer the question. But if you’re talking about morality in terms of holding certain precepts that you can debate intelligently, then yeah, you probably don’t need God for that.

    The book about revenge that I’ve been blogging, with its forays into premodern culture, does remind me that probably most people in human history don’t think of morals in abstract precepts so much as obligations to particular persons. If you look at it that way, your loyalty to your earthly father and your heavenly Father are of the same kind (though not the same degree) and that whole “vertical” vs. “horizontal” thing that Westerners worry about doesn’t exist. So maybe this whole question is phrasing things based on assumptions that the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily share.

    1. Well, I guess the point of the post was that you often hear these debates about whether God is necessary for morality, but people aren’t always clear about what sense of “necessary” they’re using. Do we need God to tell us what’s good? To motivate us to do it? If there is no God, is “everything permitted”? etc. I was trying to map the territory more than come to any conclusive positions.

      I take your point about pre-modern culture and personal loyalty vs. loyalty to abstract principles, but I don’t think we can make any hard-and-fast claims here, especially since “premodern” covers a lot of territory. There’s plenty of thinking about moral precepts and principles in pre-modern religions (not to mention philosophy), it seems to me.

  5. Oh sure, I don’t mean there were no abstract precepts back in the day, especially when you get to the level of scholarship. But I do think we moderns sometimes get tripped up by a (Rawlsian?) definition of morality as principles that are universally applicable to anonymous persons (or sets of persons, e.g. “the innocent”) as opposed to personal relationships — e.g. your earlier post about religious pluralism that said Christianity isn’t primarily about morality, it’s about a loving relationship with God. But certainly a lot of believers seem to view neglecting God as a moral transgression similar to, say, abandoning your mother, or betraying your king. If you look at it that way, God’s role in morality is a lot more personal and direct than the options you’ve laid out here: he is the defining moral obligation around which other moral obligations are shaped. Hence the emphasis in the New Testament on the church as the new family — this was not just an emotional change but an ethical one.

    Does that make any sense?

  6. Yeah, I can go along with that. I guess where I see more general principles coming into play is in trying to determine what God wants us to do. After all, unlike earthly rulers, God doesn’t tell us what we should do on each particular occassion. Hence the need for general principles derived from, among other places, our understanding of God’s character (e.g., his love for us) plus our understanding of what’s good for other people (and creatures more generally). In other words, I agree that sin should be understood analogously to damaging a relationship, but we also need general principles that allow us to identify what that consists in.

  7. One other point: I certainly don’t mean to reduce ethics to a set of principles, precepts, axioms, or what have you. Ethics also relies on feelings, symbols, metaphors, narratives, experiences, virtues, and so on–not something that can be easily systematized (if at all).

  8. I agree! What brought this to mind, though (apart from the book I’m reading) is the fact that in those furious arguments about the morals of believers vs. unbelievers, I think the personal-loyalty aspect leads to some of the biggest problems. For instance, it’s difficult for nonbelievers to understand why things like blasphemy and idolatry are considered bad, which not only casts aspersions on them but on other religions. I mean, obviously that makes no sense if you think there is no God, but it also makes no sense if you think of God as the Ultimate Cause or the Ground of Being or some such concept, because you don’t have relationships with concepts. Likewise the principle of obeying bishops; even Catholics will admit to you that bishops are sometimes wrong, but trusting God goes with trusting those whom God has appointed as his deputies. Protestants don’t tend to think that way, of course, but they still have to explain why believing in a Supreme Being means having an organized religion that you are willing to commit blood and treasure to. To put it another way, I think Christianity posits a God that you have moral obligations *toward,* not just a God who instructs you on your moral obligations to everyone else. I think it’s there that Christians and atheists hit an unbridgeable gulf.

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