The pathetic god

During Lent our church has been hosting a series of guest preachers at our Wednesday night service. Last week it was a professor from the local seminary, and she offered what I thought was an interesting, but ultimately unsatisfying, rumination on the problem of evil (taking the appointed Psalm, number 77, as her text). Since her sermon seemed to express a fairly common viewpoint in contemporary Christian theology, I thought it might be worthwhile to think about just why I found it so unsatisfactory.

She started off by emphatically asserting that, contra the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Fallwells of the world, God does not cause natural disasters like tsunamis and hurricanes as a punishment for sin. Drawing on the book of Job and the story of the man born blind (John 9:1-41), she argued that such a stance is a form of “blaming the victim” for her suffering.

There is, she said, no such “explanation” for suffering. And she made what I thought was a very good point in saying that even if such an explanation was forthcoming, would we really find it satisfying? Would you really be satisfied to be told that your child was killed because it was part of God’s plan, or worse because of your sin or his? No explanation would really allow us to say “Oh, that makes sense! Now I’m satisfied that there was a good reason for my child’s death.”

Far from being the cause of, or offering an explanation for, suffering, God, she contended, is present in our suffering. God didn’t cause the Holocaust; God was suffering along with the victims. And so with all suffering in our world. The proper response is to seek the presence of he whom the granddaddy of process thought Alfred North Whitehead called “the fellow-sufferer who understands.” This notion of the suffering God has become very common in contemporary theology, to the point where it has been called a “new orthodoxy,” perhaps driven by a greater sensitivity to the victims of injustice and suffering. The traditional concept of God’s impassibility has given way to the idea that God suffers and grieves along with us.

I don’t want to deny that God suffers with us in some sense. Even the traditional view had to make room for that since Jesus obviously suffered and orthodoxy confesses him as “true God.” Though, I might mention in passing that I have a hunch that proponents of divine “passibility” are writing metaphysical checks they can’t cash. See here for a good argument for divine impassibility.

But what I find most unsatisfying about God’s suffering as a response to the problem of evil is that it lets God off the hook too easily. Take an analogy: if I lock you in a torture chamber, it’s no great commendation of my compassion if I agree to be tortured along with you. (If anything, it may be a sign of my derangement.) But God is the creator of the universe and so is responsible for what happens in the world in a way that no other “fellow-sufferer” can be. A God who can do nothing else than suffer along with us would seem to be a pretty pathetic (in both senses!) God.

The thing I found missing from this sermon was the idea that God’s response to evil is not merely to suffer, but to do something about it. In a way, the suffering God may be a reflection of our times when one can seize the moral high ground simply by professing to feel deeply anguished by some distant injustice and being deemed “uncompassionate” is the worst possible character flaw. The old Greek-influenced concept of God was one which identified the divine with reason. Now we have a concept of God defined by feeling.

But surely the good news that is the gospel is more than simply the assertion that God suffers with us, whatever truth there may be in that. Isn’t the good news that God has decisively acted in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus to deal definitively with the problem of evil in the world? Isn’t the bigger, bolder truth that not only does God suffer with us, but that God will in fact put an end to suffering, “wipe away every tear” and destroy evil once and for all?

Comments

13 responses to “The pathetic god”

  1. Caleb

    Have you read David Bentley Hart’s The Doors of the Sea? It starts at the point where your speaker does–that there is no satisfying “explanation” for suffering and evil–but heads in a direction more like the one your post ends in, that the proper Christian response to evil is an eschatological hope in God’s dealing with suffering, once and for all.

  2. Joshie

    I think it might be going too far to characterize that view of God and suffering as only about “feelings”, but I do sympathize with you on that point. That’s kind of ironic isn’t it?

    Anyhow, there’s often said to be a gender factor here, i.e. women want someone to share suffering with while men want to fix the problem. Personally, I think a balanced approach is best. Yes God does suffer with us but also transcends our suffering. Suomething like that.

  3. Camassia

    I used to get into arguments with Telford on this point. He used to emphasize a lot how God suffers my troubles along with me, and I would say something like, “Couldn’t an omnipotent being do something more useful?” I think the idea of God suffering along is more impressive if you start out with the image of God being like a powerful king and therefore the fact that he humbles himself to share our suffering is itself a reassuring sign that something will indeed get done. However, as you point out, if you don’t assume that God makes human sense (as I didn’t) then you can come up with all sorts of scenarios where God is sort of a nutbar. And there does seem to be a tendency in liberal Christianity these days to just be nervous about God’s power, as if power can ipso facto never be good, and it ends up making God sound compassionate but toothless.

  4. Brandon

    One reason that I don’t think God’s suffering with us answers the problem of evil is that it actually makes things worse: now instead of just me suffering, I have to face the fact that God is suffering as well. And for God to suffer is an evil greater even than human suffering. We are still left with the problem of why this evil is being allowed at all. That can only be answered by a look at what God is doing, not at what He is suffering.

    I can see, however, that one might use it as a heuristic for compassion: approach every case of suffering as if you knew that even God were suffering in it. A lot of us could use such an exercise every once in a while.

  5. Caleb

    Brandon–For the sake of argument, however, if one has confidence that God is doing something to deal with suffering, then why does God’s suffering pose a more intractable problem than human suffering? Is God’s ability to conquer evil lessened if he is also working to bring an ultimate end to his own suffering? To put it in Camassia’s terms, why can’t God have teeth and compassion, power and suffering-with? Wouldn’t whatever problems posed by his suffering-with be dealt with by his power?

    One thing I have trouble seeing is why a view of God’s emotional states (for want of a better term) as passible somehow diminishes his power. What is the ground for thinking that the idea that God’s feeling-with would somehow make him pathetic in the derogatory sense of the term? “Real gods don’t cry,” or something like that?

    I ask these questions as someone mostly ignorant of the theological debates on these subjects. I’m only familiar enough with these debates to know that they exist. The Crucified God is still sitting unread on my shelf.

  6. Eric Lee

    The Doors of the Sea is still on my shelf, but from what I know of it (thanks Caleb, reviews, etc.), it seems to me something I would probably agree with. And, God suffering with us isn’t mere feeling, either, as if God can be present without God’s own Word or Logos/Reason. Even though it might be articulated in terms that might be perceived as reducing God to feeling, the reality is that of course, the Word is there as well as it is our Triune God who suffers with us, not just a monadic ‘God.’ Therefore, God’s suffering with us is full of Reason! 🙂

    I’m reading through Rahner’s book on the Trinity right now for a paper, and even now I’m seeing how problematic things get when God isn’t consistently articulated as Triune, yet one (as Rahner consistently argues for).

    Peace,

    Eric

  7. Jennifer

    This reminded me of something I just read in Hauerwas’s Cross-Shattered Christ. I posted it on my site.

    I don’t agree with Joshie’s comment about the gender factor. It is true that feminist theology has mostly embraced this, but that’s related to a larger movement within theology as the articles you linked to suggest. I don’t think women believe this more than men.

  8. Brandon

    Caleb:

    Fair enough; my point wasn’t that God’s suffering would be more intractable than human suffering, but simply that the addition of another suffering (and even more morally serious because it is God’s) doesn’t contribute anything to resolving any problem of suffering. Even on the assumption that God is passible, the suggestion that this would in itself in any way mitigate the problem of suffering simply doesn’t work. In itself it just makes the problem of suffering worse; before we had human suffering, and now we have divine suffering as well. Of course, a passibilist could still have a (different) response to the problem of suffering that deals with both human and divine suffering.

  9. jack perry

    If all God did was suffer with me, I’d be pretty ticked, too. But the point of Christianity isn’t that God suffers with us (that’s only half the story); it’s also that God leads us through suffering to resurrection.

    If we really believed in a resurrection, would we be having this discussion? I’m wondering this because I’ve been thinking of the martzrs lately.

    I’m typing this on a $?! Austrian keyboard, so if anz z’s and y#s are switched, don’t think I’m incompetent 🙂

  10. Caleb

    Brandon, I see your point: and I agree that the passibility of God is not a passable response to the problem of evil (sorry, I couldn’t help myself). I also like your point about the heuristic value of thinking of God as suffering with us. Surely all of our attempts to comprehend him are at least partly analogical and heuristic.

    Thanks, too, Eric, for pointing out my conflation of suffering-with and feeling-with. Didn’t mean to do that. I do think that you’d like The Doors of the Sea, and if you read it I’d be interested in hearing what you think.

  11. Joshie

    If you’ll notice what I wrote, Jennifer, I said “there’s often said to be a gender factor” I didn’t say there WAS a real gender factor.

    Also I didn’t mean to say women take a certain theological point more than another, I meant that it is often said that when women talk about suffering, they are more interested in receiving (or giving as a listener) sympathy, while it is often said that men are seeking solutions to a problem or offer solutions when listening to suffering. I’m not making a judgement as to whether this is true or not, just bringing up an observation that others have made.

  12. Marvin

    Arguments that begin with “The Bible says” usually lack sophistication, but nobody’s ever accused me of being all that sophisticated, so here goes:

    In the Bible, God does, in fact, punish sin with all kinds of natural disasters: famines, earthquakes, outbreaks of disease, droughts, floods, etc. Even a short list of examples would quickly exhaust the limits of Blogger’s comment box. It would seem to me that one has to overlook a whole lot in order to state categorically, “God does not cause natural disasters like tsunamis and hurricanes as a punishment for sin.”

    To be sure, we all overlook things. I tend to glide by Romans 1:26-27. Reinhold Niebuhr tended to overlook Matthew 5. However, in this case, it seems like the preacher thinks she knows the mind of God better than the prophets did.

    I’m not saying that the Boxing Day Tsunami was a punishment for sin, because I am not a prophet. I have no word from the Lord on this subject. I am, however, a scribe, a person who gets paid to read and interpret the scriptures. And in my reading, I can’t help but report that God has done these things in the past.

    In my less charitable moments, I think that all the suffering God stuff is a variation on the theme of “The New Testament Jesus is so much nicer than the Old Testament God,” the 21st century Sunday School class version of the old, old heresy of Marcionism.

  13. Lee

    Thanks everyone for the good comments.

    Caleb: Thanks for the book reccomendation; I’ve been meaning to read Hart’s book for a while now. For those who missed it, here’s his essay on the topic from First Things: http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0503/opinion/hart.html

    I think the jury’s still out for me on whether God can suffer. As I mentioned before, I think that may have some disastrous consequences.

    Here’s a relevant quote from that Thomas Weinandy article I linked to:

    “Aquinas brought new depth both to this patristic understanding of God and to our understanding of why He is immutable and impassible. Creatures constantly change because they continually actualize their potential either for good, and so become more perfect, or for evil, and so become less perfect. God is not in this act/potency scheme of self-actualization. God, Aquinas argued, is “being itself” or “pure act” and so cannot undergo self-constituting change by which He would become more perfect. Two pertinent points flow from this.

    “First, by being pure act, God possesses the potential to perform acts that are singular to His being pure act. While we cannot comprehend how God, as pure act, acts, the act of creation is God acting as pure act, whereby created beings are related to God as He is and so come to exist. Thus, the very act of creation that assures the wholly otherness of God is the very same act that assures creation’s immediate, intimate, dynamic, and enduring relationship with God as God truly is in all His transcendent otherness. Second, as pure act or being itself, all that pertains to God’s nature is in pure act. While God and rocks may both be impassible, they are so for polar opposite reasons. A rock is impassible because, being an inert impersonal object, it lacks all that pertains to love. God is impassible because His love is perfectly in act (‘God is love’) and no further self-constituting act could make Him more loving. God is absolutely impassible because He is absolutely passionate in His love. Thus creatures, and particularly human beings, through the act of creation are immediately and intimately related to God as He exists in His perfectly actualized love.

    “On the theological level, the persons of the Trinity are impassible for similar reasons. The Father is the pure act of paternity for He is the act by which He begets the Son in the perfect love of the Holy Spirit. The Son is the pure act of sonship for He is the act by which He is wholly the Son of and for the Father in the same perfect love of the Spirit. The Spirit is the pure act of love for He is that act by which the Father is conformed to be the absolutely loving Father of the Son and the Son is conformed to be the absolutely loving Son of the Father. Thus the persons of the Trinity are impassible not because they are devoid of passion, but because they are entirely constituted as who they are in their passionate and dynamic fully actualized relationship of love. Creatures, as merely created, are immediately related to this trinitarian mystery of love, and human beings can actually abide within the very trinitarian relationships by being conformed by the Holy Spirit into the likeness of the Son and so becoming children of the loving Father.”

Leave a reply to Joshie Cancel reply