Some amateurish thoughts on John Milbank

I don’t claim to understand everything in this John Milbank essay that Russell discussed yesterday (I will assume, as a matter of charity, that it’s my fault and not Milbank’s), but I do have a couple of bones to pick with it.

Milbank seems to be contrasting a strawman version of “liberalism” (by which I think he means the whole tradition of Enlightenment liberalism, not just liberalism in a narrow political sense) with a kind of hyper-idealized neo-feudal economy of “the gift” and an artistocracy of virtue.

For Milbank, it seems, liberalism is not a mixture of good and bad, but an unmitigated disaster that has brought

mass poverty, inequality, erosion of freely associating bodies beneath the level of the State and ecological dereliction of the earth – and now, without the compensating threat of communism, it has abolished the rights and dignity of the worker, ensured that women are workplace as well as domestic and erotic slaves, and finally started to remove the ancient rights of the individual which long precede the creed of liberalism itself (such as habeas corpus in Anglo-Saxon law) and are grounded in the dignity of the person rather than the ‘self-ownership’ of autonomous liberal man (sic).

It’s hard to know what to say to someone who appears to think that things have only gotten worse in the last five hundred years or so! Milbank thinks that communisim “valiantly” tried to battle the awful scourge of liberalism, but, sadly, “ignored people’s need’s for an aesthetic and religious relationship to each other and to nature” (he has no other bad things to say about communism, at least here).

The key point, though, where Milbank takes issue with liberalism is that liberalism is committed, in principle, to a pluarlism of social values, whereas Milbank thinks that a just society requires an agreed upon hierarchy of values:

[T]he crucial paradox so often ignored by socialists (but not by John Ruskin) is that only where there is an agreed hierarchy of values, sustained by the constantly self-cancelling hierarchy of education, can there actually be an equal sharing (according to a continuous social judgement as to who will most benefit from such and such a gift etc) of what is agreed to be valuable. Without such an agreement, sustained through the operation of professional guilds and associations as well as co-operative credit unions and banks, there can only be market mediation of an anarchy of desires – of course ensuring the triumph of a hierarchy of sheer power and the secret commanding of people’s desires by manipulation.

Milbank objects to the realist-liberal-Niebuhrian appropriation of Augustine to justify making peace with human egotism, but here I think Milbank hasn’t taken Augustine seriously enough. Augustine would disagree, I think, that an agreed hierarchy of values is possible this side of the Kingdom. To make it the precondition of earthly politics would seem to court tyranny. The loves of the city of man’s denizens are necessarily different from and incompatible with those of the city of God. Liberalism may well be the system that best reckons with this pluralism of values, allowing a certain earthly peace to prevail (for more on this see here, and here).

Some of what Milbank says is quite good. For instance, he points out that it’s foolish to think of society as somehow founded on a contractual agreement. “Gift relations” are prior to contract relations – we give ourselves to each other (in a family bond, for instance) in ways that are more fundamental than contract. And he makes what I think are good suggestions about encouraging things like co-ops, “fair trade” arrangements, and other forms of economic exchange that aren’t based on sheer financial calculation.

And surely Milbank is right that the unchecked market tends to reduce all relationships to exchange relationships. But that is a good argument for embedding the market in strong non-market institutions (civic, religious, familial, governmental). John Paul II, Wilhelm Roepke, and certain neocalvinists, among others, have valuable things to say about this.

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9 responses to “Some amateurish thoughts on John Milbank”

  1. Camassia

    I agree with your take on pluralism. To my understanding, it developed as a way to deal with things like religious disagreements that didn’t involve killing people. I think moderns can err in making it into a positive virtue unto itself, however, while some critics of pluralism err by acting like society just up and decided to be pluralist and could just as easily choose to agree on everything. If only!

  2. Lee

    Right – I think that is how the account of the rise of pluralism usually goes (though, to be fair, it has been challenged). Also, Milbank says things that make me think he’s leaning a little too heavily on Plato. Things that suggest that if only everyone was educated properly in the virtues their loves would be rightly ordered (in the Augustinian sense).

  3. Marcus

    If I can ever get the link to work I’ll be delighted to read M, about whose essay you have piqued my curiosity.

  4. Joshie

    Your comment about leaning too heavily on Classical Philosophy and the earlier critque about reducing Jesus to an abstraction are complaints I have also heard leveled (by myself among others) at Hauerwas and the rest of the Duke Mafia.

    Hauerwas and his pals seem to do the same thing to the scriptures. They talk a lot about the Bible and the rest of the Tradition, but they never let the scriptures and the tradition talk to THEM. Their theology-ethics-philosphy-whatever gives a lot of lip service to the Bible but never lets it inform their work in a meaningful way. And when they deal with the Bible it’s usually in a cavalier way.

    Theologians aren’t exegetes, and I don’t expect them to be, but to shove the scriptures aside in favor of something else, no matter how ancient or good, is part of what the Reformation was supposed to change.

  5. Lee

    Well, I’ve gotten a lot out of reading Hauerwas, but I think there’s some merit to that criticism. Of course, what I think he would say is that the Bible only exists in the context of the church and that it’s up to the church to interpret it authoritatively (H. seems to have an especially robust ecclesiology for a Methodist-turned-Episcopalian). And this is all bound up with a kind of post-modern nothing-outside-the-text hermeneutic, I think (not that I approve of that!).

    However, one thing that has always puzzled me about H. is this: on the one hand he’s not a “Sola Scriptura” kind of Protestant, but on the other hand he wants to say the church should be pacifist. But if you can’t appeal to scripture over against the church I don’t know how you get to that conclusion since the tradition is pretty clearly on the non-pacifist side of things.

    Maybe Jennifer will stop by and defend Stan – she is Duke mafia emeritus I believe.

  6. Russell Arben Fox

    Joshie, I agree that a lot of theologians in this “emergent” school seem a lot more interested in a philosophical treatment of Christianity than in an openness to Christian scriptures themselves. In their defense (if it is a defense), the most I can say is that they see themselves not so much in dialogue with the Christian revelation as with what the dominant school of political theology has historically done with that revelation. They see the modern secular order as one that emerged out of Christendom because Christian thinkers chose to treat their own faith as something that should play only a justificatory and supplemental role in politics, and don’t like it. And so their real playing field is how Plato, et al, have been used to argue for a particular relationship between the secular and sacred.

    Lee, I’m glad you liked what Milbank has to say about the Christian need to subordinate contract to “the gift”–that’s really the heart of his essay, as far as I’m concerned, and his speculations about what might make that kind of socio-economic polity possible are interesting but secondary (as well as rhetorically overheated, to say the least). As for your major beef, I simply have to plead that I read Milbank differently; I don’t think in the passage you cite he is trying to make an “agreed hierarchy of values” the “precondition of earthly politics.” A possibility of earthly politics, yes; and because a possibility, then therefore presence as well, in the same way that hermeneutic thinkers insist that any interpretation of a text’s meaning has to reflect a background assumption about the presence of meaningfulness in the text. It’s a teleological politics, in other words. Certainly that contravenes everything that liberals like Mill and Isaiah Berlin have warned us against, but it doesn’t, I think, wholly reject Augustine. It was Augustine, after all, who said that there was divine order even in war–and compared to war, pluralistic politics is a snap.

    More here–a (much shorter, I promise!) addendum to my previous Milbank post.

  7. Eric Lee

    I will assume, as a matter of charity, that it’s my fault and not Milbank’s

    Now that’s just hilarious, because Pastor John Wright actually told us it’s quite the fault of Milbank that we can’t understand him! 🙂 John said that he’s read Theology & Social Theory 5 or 6 times now, and he thinks he now understands what Milbank is trying to do. That’s always a reassuring thing to hear when you know you’re about to read some gnarly stuff!

    As per Russell Arben Fox’s comment above where he said:

    theologians in this “emergent” school seem a lot more interested in a philosophical treatment of Christianity than in an openness to Christian scriptures themselves.

    First, I don’t think Hauerwas and Milbank would consider themselves part of the “emergent conversation,” even though Hauerwas is widely read by those who side with that project (Resident Aliens is usually the one picked out). Second, I think those in the Radical Orthodox crowd would say that philosophy is theology.

    And so their real playing field is how Plato, et al, have been used to argue for a particular relationship between the secular and sacred.

    This is probably just nit-picking on my part, but I think it’s actually Duns Scotus misinterpreting Aquinas through a Plotinian system (that is, Plotinus, not Plato) and his univocity of being (making God a Being among beings) that is usually the “bad guy” in their archealogy of secularism.

    Oh, forgot this from the original post:

    [Milbank] has no other bad things to say about communism, at least here

    Communism, that is state-controlled Marxism (I think that’s right — it’s late!), is something that Milbank definitely has a critique for. If you’re interested, there’s a section called “For and Against Marx” in Milbank’s Theology & Social Theory that is quite good. The basic idea of Milbank’s “Against Marx” is that Marx tries to negate Hegel’s dialectic in certain ways and ends up just reinforcing the same flawed undergirding system because both of Hegel’s and Marx’s telos is in the human individual’s freedom, as opposed to a participation in God.

    Man, I sure hope I didn’t mess that up… again, it’s late.

    The critique on Hauerwas in another comment is slightly unfounded, but understandable. It would probably help to read some of the books on narrative theology by Hauerwas to understand his doctrine of scripture instead of the various quotations thrown around the internet. Resident Aliens isn’t quite enough, either. I dunno– my pastor know’s Stan decently (“before Stanley was ‘Stanley,’” he tells me), and really likes his work, but taking a RO class (and soon a Biblical Theology class) from these guys (that is, Duke being very tied to Notre Dame in the 80’s where John Wright was with Stanley and Yoder), I really, highly doubt they have a weak view of scripture. They usually get quoted as deconstructionists because that’s what is the most inflammatory, but they’re more to them, I promise! 🙂

    As per the rest of the stuff re: Milbank, it sounds pretty good to me, but what do I know! 🙂

  8. Lee

    Well, I think there are two distinct, though related, criticisms of H. floating around here. One is his “doctrine of scripture” – i.e. how he thinks it functions in the life of the church and whether on his account it is even possible for Scripture to speak to the church in a critical and authoritative way. I worry that for H. the authority of Scripture gets subordinated to that of the church.

    The second, which I take to be Josh’s main point, is that H. doesn’t rely enough on careful exegesis of Scripture. (Correct me if I’m misinterpreting you, Josh)

    These two points are related in that they both tie into a view of texts that says, basically, that it’s interpretation all the way down, so to speak. I’m not sure if this mischaracterizes his position or not, but he certainly says things that make it a legitimate worry, I think.

  9. Joshie

    You get me correctly Lee. My point is not that he has “weak view of scripture” whatever that may mean, but that he talks a lot about it but doesn’t listen to it. I have read passages, even some that were supposed to be examples of how my criticism of him is unfounded, where he blantantly almost flippantly misquotes the scriptures. There was a textbook example from the CC recently if I can find it.

    My beef with him is not that he has a “low” Bibliology (I don’t think the scriptures themselves support Sola Scriptura, at least as it’s often described these days) but that he doesn’t really seem to care what the Bible says or doesn’t say. I have probs with his method not his content. The late Stanley Grenz I think is an example of a theologian who has did a good job of dealing with the scriptures, despite being a baptist 😉

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